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日本北海道礼文岛船舶遗迹的3000多年前的5号绳文古人Y染 D1b2a (D-CTS220)

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发表于 2018-10-20 23:29 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
本帖最后由 大凌河 于 2018-10-20 23:50 编辑

遗址:日本最北端的有人岛北海道礼文岛船舶遗迹

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时间:绳文时代后期(約3,800~3,500 年前)

5号绳纹古人的Y染色体类型为D1b2a (D-CTS220)

下面的图的古人不是5号古人,是15号古人,脸向东的曲肢葬(感觉和几万年前的冲绳古人的墓葬方式很像),颈部和腰部有珍珠,贝壳的饰品

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在7号古人的胸部发现了一颗 长7.8厘米,宽3.2厘米的翡翠,经过鉴定,这个翡翠产地是距离礼文岛超过1000千米的日本新泻县

在相同遗址发现了物品中,还发现了一个产于中国南海的,乌贼制品做的装饰物。

说明那个时候的绳文古人和其他遥远的地方的其他族群存在明显的交易行为

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来源日文wiki
ハプログループD1b_(Y染色体)

北海道  環境生活部 > 文化局文化振興課 >
http://www.pref.hokkaido.lg.jp/ks/bns/jomon/remains_03.htm

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发表于 2018-10-21 10:25 | 显示全部楼层
同属绳文文化的虾夷人和阿依努人是什么时候成为不同民族的?在绳文时代两者还是完全相同的啊!
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-22 09:36 | 显示全部楼层
@欧元区

我个人理解,阿依努人群是虾夷人的其中一部分

而虾夷人不一定都是 阿依努人
发表于 2018-10-22 11:58 | 显示全部楼层
@大凌河

阿依努人应该就是虾夷人,而虾夷人与历史上的绳纹文化古人关系密切,尽管我相信大部分绳纹古人融入了日本人之中了~
 楼主| 发表于 2018-10-22 12:13 | 显示全部楼层
@imvivi001
虾夷人是不是完全等同于阿依努,应该是现在有很多说法,没有个定论。
但是有很大关系是肯定的了,我觉得不是完全重合的一个疑惑
就是日本有个虾夷人的头目,死后被作为标本那样在一个寺庙里保存了下来,从体质学上看看
那个尸体和日本人更像,而不是像阿依努那种,头发旺盛的。
而几百年前的阿依努人的尸体,现在也挖了收藏了不少,看上去还是和现代阿依努人非常接近。
所以我觉得虾夷人的范畴应该更广一些,包括阿依努人,并不是完全等于阿依努人
发表于 2018-10-23 12:45 | 显示全部楼层
古日本的南北跨度(从琉球群岛到北海道差不多相当于吉林到台湾的中间距离)问题是中间岛屿还并不相连,肯定是有差异的。甚至不同时期的日本古人我都怀疑有差异。
发表于 2018-10-31 10:13 | 显示全部楼层
D-cts220属于D-M64.1下最早分出去的支系D-Z1516下的,这个支系现在人口不多,可能主要在北海道。
发表于 2018-11-14 12:19 | 显示全部楼层
呃,难道不是D1b2b吗

POB-162 Phenotype and phylogeny of Neolithic Japanese hunter-gatherers, Jomon people, based on whole nuclear genome sequences

Hideaki Kanzawa-Kiriyama 1 , Timothy Jinam 2, Yoshuke Kawai 3, Takehiro Sato 4, Kazuyoshi Hosomichi 4, Atsushi Tajima 4, Kryukov Kirill 5, Noboru Adachi 6, Naruya Saitou 2, 7, Ken-ichi Shinoda 1

1 National Museum of Nature and Science (Japan),
2 National Institute of Genetics (Japan),
3 University of Tokyo (Japan),
4 Kanzawa University (Japan),
5 Tokai University (Japan),
6 University of Yamanashi (Japan),
7 Graduate University fo Advanced Studies (SOKENDAI) (Japan)

Funadomari Jomon are 3,500-3,800 year-old northern Japanese hunter-gatherer. Here, we determined high depth and low depth nuclear genome sequences from Funadomari Jomon female (F23) and male (F5). F5 belongs to Y chromosome haplogroup D1b2b, which is rare haplogroup in modern Japanese. We genotyped the genome of F23, and HLA class-I type (homozygous for A*24:02:01, B*15:01:01, and C*03:03:01) and many phenotypic traits (e.g. non-shovel shape incisor and wet-type earwax) were determined. We observed high HBD similar to modern southern Native Americans, but long HBD tracts longer than 10cM is small, suggesting no close consanguineous mating but small population size in northern Jomon populations. MSMC analysis also suggested their small population size for more than 10,000 years. Phylogenetic relationship between F23 and modern/ancient Eurasians and Native Americans showed a deep divergence of F23 in East Eurasia, probably before the split of the ancestor of Native Americans from East Eurasians, but after the split of 40,000-year-old Tianyuan. This indicates that Northern Jomon people are genetically isolated from continental East Eurasians for long time. Intriguingly, we found that not only modern three Japanese (Ainu, mainland Japanese, and Ryukyuan) but also Ulchi, Koreans, the aboriginal Taiwanese and the Philippines are genetically closer to F23 compared to Han Chinese at the significant level (Z>3). These informations are one of a key to reconstruct ancient population structure and history in East Eurasia.
 楼主| 发表于 2018-11-14 12:42 | 显示全部楼层
wmch_928 发表于 2018-11-14 12:19
呃,难道不是D1b2b吗

POB-162 Phenotype and phylogeny of Neolithic Japanese hunter-gatherers, Jomon ...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_D-M55

用的是wiki的说法,也许是2016年的那个资料太旧了吧,后来又重新分型了?
有空发发C*,C1,C1a古样本的信息啊。

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发表于 2019-6-28 20:50 | 显示全部楼层
wanhuatong 发表于 2018-10-23 12:45
古日本的南北跨度(从琉球群岛到北海道差不多相当于吉林到台湾的中间距离)问题是中间岛屿还并不相连,肯定 ...

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发表于 2019-7-2 00:19 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 Yungsiyebu 于 2019-7-2 00:36 编辑

D1b2b-CTS68, CTS243, CTS318, CTS353, CTS580

不是D1b2a-CTS220, CTS709, CTS1333, CTS1439/Z1505, CTS3320/Z1508, CTS4158/Z1509, CTS5941, CTS6287, CTS6342/Z1511, CTS10054,  L495.2/Z2788.2, Z1506, Z1514, Z3807, Z3814, Z3819, Z14782, Z14785, Z14786, Z14787, Z14789, Z14790,  Z14792, Z17172, Z17174

Late Jomon male and female genome sequences from the Funadomari site in Hokkaido, Japan

The Funadomari Jomon people were hunter-gatherers living on Rebun Island, Hokkaido, Japan c. 3500–3800 years ago. In this study, we determined the high-depth and low-depth nuclear genome sequences from a Funadomari Jomon female (F23) and male (F5), respectively. We genotyped the nuclear DNA of F23 and determined the human leukocyte antigen (HLA) class-I genotypes and the phenotypic traits. Moreover, a pathogenic mutation in the CPT1A gene was identified in both F23 and F5. The mutation provides metabolic advantages for consumption of a high-fat diet, and its allele frequency is more than 70% in Arctic populations, but is absent elsewhere. This variant may be related to the lifestyle of the Funadomari Jomon people, who fished and hunted land and marine animals. We observed high homozygosity by descent (HBD) in F23, but HBD tracts longer than 10 cM were very limited, suggesting that the population size of Northern Jomon populations were small. Our analysis suggested that population size of the Jomon people started to decrease c. 50000 years ago. The phylogenetic relationship among F23, modern/ancient Eurasians, and Native Americans showed a deep divergence of F23 in East Eurasia, probably before the split of the ancestor of Native Americans from East Eurasians, but after the split of 40000-year-old Tianyuan, indicating that the Northern Jomon people were genetically isolated from continental East Eurasians for a long period. Intriguingly, we found that modern Japanese as well as Ulchi, Korean, aboriginal Taiwanese, and Philippine populations were genetically closer to F23 than to Han Chinese. Moreover, the Y chromosome of F5 belonged to haplogroup D1b2b, which is rare in modern Japanese populations. These findings provided insights into the history and reconstructions of the ancient human population structures in East Eurasia, and the F23 genome data can be considered as the Jomon Reference Genome for future studies.

发表于 2019-7-2 12:23 | 显示全部楼层

   很棒! 终于可以有“古绳纹成分”了,不妨暂且先标注AJM~
发表于 2019-7-2 12:25 | 显示全部楼层
Intriguingly, we found that modern Japanese as well as Ulchi, Korean, aboriginal Taiwanese, and Philippine populations were genetically closer to F23 than to Han Chinese.
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   很有意思,看来绳纹古人走沿海北上是基本上没有问题了,呵呵
发表于 2019-7-2 13:18 | 显示全部楼层
  从文中的信息,我觉得可以把古绳纹人抵达日本的时间与圜底陶器传入日本的时间挂钩,可能是1.8~2万年间,而东亚古人北上走东北亚进入美洲应该是1.8万年之后~
发表于 2019-7-2 23:07 | 显示全部楼层
东亚北上经东北亚去美洲的十有八九是C
发表于 2019-7-3 10:43 | 显示全部楼层
现代的中日韩及台湾土著都是典型东亚人,在东南亚论文的常染PCA图上,他们是聚类到一起的,而另一个绳纹古人的位置,处在东亚EA与Onge中间,很直观也很合理。

EA_PCA

EA_PCA


Reich的东南亚论文专门分析了绳纹古人的混合模型,是Onge+东亚,绳纹古人与东亚人根本就不是一类人。而这篇2016年的论文只是分析了部分基因片段,并非常染的全貌。

另外,日本人类史至少在3.8万年前就开始了,如果能证明东亚古人在盛冰期LGM之前就有能力远海航行,那将会很轰动的!
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