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Y chromosomes from Bodrogköz population in north-eastern Hungary

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发表于 2017-4-18 18:27 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式
Bodrogköz population in north-eastern Hungary by Y chromosomal haplotypes
Abstract
We have determined the distribution of Y chromosomal haplotypes and haplogroups in population samples from one of the most important areas in north-eastern Hungary from many villages in the Bodrogköz. The Bodrogköz region was chosen due to its isolated nature, because this area was a moorland encircled by the Tisza, Bodrog, and Latorca Rivers and inhabitants of this part of Hungary escaped from both Tatar and Ottoman invasions, which decimated the post-Hungarian Conquest populations in many parts of the country. Furthermore, in the first half of the tenth century, this region served as the Palatial Centre and burial grounds of the Hungarian tribes. It has thus been assumed that the present population in this area is likely to be more similar to the population that lived in the Conquest period. We analysed male-specific markers, 23 Y-STRs and more than 30 Y-SNPs, that reflect the past and recent genetic history. We found that the general haplogroup distribution of the samples showed high genetic similarity to non-Bodrogköz Hungarians and neighbouring populations, despite its sheltered location and historical record. We were able to classify the Y-chromosomal haplogroups into four large groups based on STR mutation events: pre-Roman/Roman ancient lineage, Finno-Ugric speakers arriving into the Carpathian Basin, Migration period admixture, and post-Hungarian Conquest admixture. It is clear that a significantly larger database with deep haplogroup resolution, including ancient DNA data, is required to strengthen this research.


https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00438-017-1319-z
发表于 2017-4-18 19:42 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lindberg 于 2017-4-18 19:47 编辑

匈牙利,呵呵,情况比俄罗斯中部要复杂啊,俄罗斯还没搞明白呢
发表于 2017-4-18 21:53 | 显示全部楼层
从古至今的DNA检测结果来看,匈牙利凭借其独特的地理位置与气候条件,堪为揭开现代欧洲人血统源流的一个关键窗口~
发表于 2017-4-19 09:19 | 显示全部楼层
当年的‘匈牙利人’,到底是保加尔-浑语人群? 还是如古罗斯人说的‘yagra乌拉尔语’人群? 还是如他们的首领mugel(木骨闾)这个名字所暗示的是一种混有古东胡成分的人群? 抑或干脆是学渊大湿所声称的东迁‘靺鞊人’? 尽管近几年匈牙利的aDNA数据颇多,不过我看也是难以一下子说清楚的,更像是少数中亚部族挟裹众多欧亚西部大草原部族混合的结果...
发表于 2017-4-25 10:58 | 显示全部楼层
结果呢?没看到结果
 楼主| 发表于 2017-4-25 11:12 | 显示全部楼层
https://static-content.springer. ... 319_MOESM2_ESM.xlsx

R1a-M458 (20.4%), I2a1-
P37 (19%), R1a-Z280 (14.3%), and E1b-M78 (10.2%).
Various R1b-M343 subgroups accounted for 15% of the
Bodrogköz population. Haplogroup N1c-Tat covered 6.2%
of the lineages, but most of it belonged to the N1c-VL29
subgroup, which is more frequent among Balto-Slavic
speaking than Finno-Ugric speaking peoples. Other haplogroups
had frequencies of less than 5%.
发表于 2017-4-25 15:26 | 显示全部楼层
6# 198401

谢谢。看不出有东方入侵的痕迹。
发表于 2017-4-25 16:03 | 显示全部楼层
本帖最后由 lindberg 于 2017-4-25 16:05 编辑

这里既然躲过了蒙古人和奥斯曼帝国的进攻,为啥不能抵御马扎尔人呢?说不定当时马扎尔人一看不好搞定,就拉拢联合,进行了和平演变,这里的血统很像中世纪的早期的斯拉夫人,没看全文,不知匈牙利另外人群的情况咋样?还有这些R1b和E1b应该是更早的土著吧。
发表于 2017-4-25 18:58 | 显示全部楼层
https://static-content.springer. ... 319_MOESM2_ESM.xlsx

R1a-M458 (20.4%), I2a1-
P37 (19%), R1a-Z280 (14.3%), and E1b-M78 (10.2%).
Various R1b-M343 subgroups accounted for 15% of the
Bodrogköz population. Haplogroup N1c-Tat covered 6.2%
of the lineages, but most of it belonged to the N1c-VL29
subgroup, which is more frequent among Balto-Slavic
speaking than Finno-Ugric speaking peoples. Other haplogroups
had frequencies of less than 5%.
198401 发表于 2017-4-25 11:12


从R1a-Z280 与 N1c-VL29的频度来看,斯拉夫的成分很明显,估计占了匈牙利父系的三成或更多(可能与6~7世纪斯拉夫部族大规模南下有关,也说明后来的马扎尔大军和早期的阿提拉大军一样,同化了大量的当地土著),不过从R1a-M458 (20.4%)-R1a-Z280 (14.3%)=6.1%,加之其他不少的拉拉杂杂低于5%的各种小支系类型以及少量的N1c-Tat(x N1c-VL29),依然提示我上面说的“更像是少数中亚部族挟裹众多欧亚西部大草原部族混合的结果”(如果考虑到漂变效应,那当年的中亚部族甚至包括很少量的西伯利亚东部类型的比例会更高一些)
发表于 2017-4-28 17:30 | 显示全部楼层
这些土著和契丹人蒙古人治下的汉军差不多,出征时押送粮草,作战时攻城并压住阵脚,获胜后押运虏获,等到马扎尔人战事不利骑马跑路,肯定任其自生自灭
发表于 2017-5-27 22:42 | 显示全部楼层
https://static-content.springer.com/esm/art%3A10.1007%2Fs00438-017-1319-z/MediaObjects/438_2017_1319_MOESM2_ESM.xlsx

R1a-M458 (20.4%), I2a1-
P37 (19%), R1a-Z280 (14.3%), and E1b-M78 (10.2%).
Vari ...
198401 发表于 2017-4-25 11:12

May you please provide the frequencies of the other haplogroups such as Q, J2 and I2a2?
发表于 2017-5-27 22:47 | 显示全部楼层
May you please provide the frequencies of the other haplogrups such as Q, J2, I1 and I2a2?
 楼主| 发表于 2017-5-28 07:16 | 显示全部楼层
11# Fil Q: 0.7%
J1-M267 0.7%
J2b-M12 3.4%

I2a2-M223 0.7%
发表于 2017-5-28 09:45 | 显示全部楼层
11# Fil Q: 0.7%
J1-M267 0.7%
J2b-M12 3.4%

I2a2-M223 0.7%
198401 发表于 2017-5-28 07:16

This makes about 92% with some 8% left. Can I see the frequency of J2a, I1 and G2a?
 楼主| 发表于 2017-5-28 15:43 | 显示全部楼层
发表于 2017-6-4 10:07 | 显示全部楼层
西迁的靺鞨人是女真部族,应该会有C单倍群吧?
发表于 2017-6-5 21:32 | 显示全部楼层

看到了很多例R1b-P312和R1b-U106,不知是那个年代留在这里的?
发表于 2017-6-11 00:14 | 显示全部楼层
匈牙利的N1c主要是VL29,与主要分布在俄罗斯和芬兰的同宗样本,~3700,这样,基本可以肯定,至少多数N1c不是标记青铜时代扩张的颜那亚人或者更古老的新石器时代农夫和旧石器猎人,应当代表历史时期汇入欧洲的第四类人群。
没有汇总familytreedna样本,不清楚这些VL29,还能细分到哪个分支?
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